Can Vaccines, Curses, or Suicide Change Your Destiny? Ask the Rabbi #704

Quick Answer: According to Jewish philosophy and Torah thought, a person’s time of death is ultimately determined by divine decree, meaning that vaccines, curses, and even suicide do not override God’s larger plan. While individuals bear moral responsibility for their choices — and suicide in particular is treated very seriously in Jewish law — the underlying moment of death is seen as predetermined. Curses can have real effects according to Kabbalah, but only within the framework of what God permits.

Quick recap

Chaim conducted a Q&A session addressing questions about vaping, vaccines, and various philosophical and religious topics. He discussed the rabbinic perspective on vaping, noting the lack of definitive statistics on its health effects and explaining that while it likely contains harmful chemicals, it doesn’t require rabbinic supervision and its status on Shabbat remains uncertain. The conversation then shifted to vaccine requirements, where Chaim explained the concept of “one in a thousand” as a threshold for considering something a danger, and discussed the philosophical outlook on whether divine decree determines a person’s time of death regardless of the specific cause. Chaim also addressed questions about suicide, curses, and family tragedies, emphasizing that while these events may appear preventable, they ultimately represent divine decrees that cannot be understood by human reasoning.

Summary

Vaping and Rabbinic Supervision Discussion

Chaim discussed a question about vaping, addressing whether it requires rabbinic supervision and if it’s permissible on Shabbos or festivals. He explained that while vaping contains chemicals and likely isn’t healthy, there aren’t sufficient statistics to definitively prove it’s as harmful as smoking, making it difficult to give a definitive ruling. Chaim concluded that while anecdotal evidence suggests vaping may be harmful, it’s not enough to make a definitive prohibition, though he advised against starting vaping.

Religious Communities and Vaccination Policies

Chaim discussed the challenges faced by religious communities regarding vaccination requirements and school policies. He shared that during a measles outbreak, a rabbi advised that schools should not accept unvaccinated children if there’s a 1 in 1000 chance of serious illness. The discussion also covered concerns about vaccine timing and safety, with Chaim acknowledging that while some people believe vaccines are dangerous, they have been effective in eliminating many diseases.

Vaccine Perspectives and Considerations

Chaim discussed the philosophical outlook on vaccines, considering both the benefits and potential risks. He explored how some people might die from vaccines or experience adverse effects, questioning the probability of such events and comparing them to other potential causes of death. Chaim also shared a personal experience with a B12 injection and its side effects, emphasizing the importance of considering individual health conditions when taking medications or vaccines. Amy contributed by sharing her family’s approach to achieving immunity through homeopathic methods rather than traditional vaccines in Oregon.

Divine Decree and Death

Chaim discussed the concept of divine decree in relation to death, explaining that while death certificates might list specific causes like heart attack or COVID, the underlying reason is ultimately divine will. He argued that regardless of how a person dies, it was predetermined by God, with the specific manner of death being secondary to the broader divine plan. Chaim used various examples of tragic deaths to illustrate how people often judge the preventability of different causes of death, suggesting that such judgments are misplaced when considering the broader context of divine decree.

Divine Will and Free Will

Chaim discussed the concept of divine will and free will, emphasizing that events, whether tragic or not, are not random but part of a larger plan. He used examples like vaccine reactions and a recent murder of a 16-year-old to illustrate how people often view such events as mistakes or tragedies, while suggesting that from a broader perspective, they may have been inevitable. Chaim concluded that while these events are indeed tragic, they ultimately serve a purpose in the world as determined by a higher power.

Divine Decree and Tragic Events

Chaim discussed the concept of divine decree in relation to tragic events, using examples of a recent murder and drowning incidents involving two brothers. He explained that despite these tragedies appearing preventable, they were part of a divine plan that could not be uprooted. Chaim emphasized the importance of personal safety while acknowledging that some events are beyond human control and are predetermined.

Divine Decree and Human Perception

Chaim discussed the concept of divine decree and how human perception can differ from God’s larger plan. He used the example of a rabbi’s wife who died from Alzheimer’s and a heart attack to illustrate how the underlying reason for death may be beyond human understanding. Chaim also addressed questions about Jewish law regarding circumcising children after a fatal reaction in one child, explaining that three consecutive deaths would constitute a pattern under Jewish law, leading to exemption from the practice.

Divine Decrees and Tragic Patterns

Chaim discussed the concept of divine decrees and patterns of tragedy in certain families, using examples like the Kennedys and Sonny Bono to illustrate his point. He explored the idea of whether certain events might be seen as cursed or divine intervention, though he acknowledged that the underlying reasons remain unknown. Chaim also examined the rarity of complications from circumcision, citing statistics from 2001-2010 that indicated such complications occur in about 1 in 50,000 cases, which he considered very low risk.

Kennedy Family Curse Discussion

Chaim discussed a rumored curse on the Kennedy family, explaining that while curses can be real according to Kabbalah, this particular claim has never been verified. He addressed questions about removing blockages in life, explaining that challenges are inevitable as part of the human experience in this world, and the focus should be on how to persevere through difficulties rather than avoiding them entirely. Chaim emphasized that Jewish philosophy teaches that people must face life’s challenges while working on character development and maintaining faith in God’s plan.

Religious Perspective on Suicide

Chaim discussed the religious perspective on suicide, emphasizing that it is not considered a divine decree but rather a personal choice. He explained that suicide prevents Jewish burial customs and resurrection, and argued that if it were a divine command, there would be specific burial practices. Chaim also shared statistics about suicide attempts, noting that 90% of attempt survivors do not go on to die by suicide, with approximately 56-70% of suicide victims dying from their first attempt.

Divine Intervention and Free Will

Chaim discussed the concept of divine intervention and free will, explaining that while God could potentially stop harmful actions, individuals ultimately have the choice to engage in forbidden activities like cursing. He referenced a story from the Gemara about Rabbi Chanina ben Dosa and a snake to illustrate that what ultimately kills people is sin rather than physical dangers. The conversation concluded with Chaim addressing a question about visiting caves for prayer, noting that while some rabbis might retreat to nature for spiritual reflection, he had not visited specific caves mentioned in the question.

Divine Protection and Child Abductions

Chaim discussed the concept of divine protection and how sin can reduce it, using examples like curses and sorcery. He addressed the topic of inter-family child abductions, explaining that such situations can result from various complex factors beyond the child’s control. Chaim also touched on the issue of child alienation in divorce cases, emphasizing the negative impact on children when parents are separated. He noted that while divorce may be necessary in some cases, the children often suffer the most when it’s not handled amicably.

Tragic Family Law Cases Discussion

Chaim discussed two tragic family law cases involving divorce and its devastating impacts. In the first case, a vindictive father prevented his daughter from marrying by making an unclear betrothal arrangement, leaving her unable to marry anyone. In the second case, a woman remarried after her husband disappeared for 25 years, only for him to reappear later, forcing the breakdown of multiple family marriages and raising complex halakhic questions that even prominent rabbis couldn’t resolve. Chaim emphasized how these cases highlight the severe consequences of divorce and the limitations of rabbinical authority in addressing such situations.

Summary

  • Jewish philosophy teaches that the moment of a person’s death is ultimately determined by divine decree, regardless of the apparent cause — whether vaccine reaction, accident, or illness.
  • Suicide is treated differently in Torah law: it is considered a personal choice, not a divine decree, and carries serious consequences including restrictions on traditional Jewish burial and resurrection.
  • Curses are acknowledged as potentially real in Kabbalah, but their power operates only within the limits of what God permits, and personal sin can reduce divine protection.
  • The rabbinic threshold of “one in a thousand” is used to assess health risks, such as whether unvaccinated children should be excluded from school during a disease outbreak.
  • Tragic patterns in families — such as repeated drownings or high-profile family misfortunes — may reflect divine decrees that are beyond human understanding, according to Jewish thought.
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