Can the Jewish Messiah Die Before Completing His Mission? Q/A #746

This Q&A session focused on Jewish religious law and practices, covering several key topics. Chaim addressed questions about Jewish conversion and child status, explaining that a child born to a Jewish mother through conversion before birth would be Jewish regardless of when the conversion occurred, though the child was conceived as a non-Jew. He discussed the husband’s role in supporting his wife after childbirth, noting that during the immediate post-birth period (typically 4-6 weeks) the husband cannot have physical contact but can provide moral support and help with other children. Chaim also explained family purity laws regarding separation during menstruation and discussed the practical implications for married couples. The session included questions about bathroom purity requirements after showering and the proper handling of food service during separation periods. Additionally, Chaim addressed questions about Messiah beliefs, explaining the character traits described in Isaiah chapter 11, the difference between the Messiah of David (who cannot die) and the Messiah of Joseph (who potentially could die), and how Elijah the Prophet will recognize and announce the Messiah to the world. The session concluded with guidance on Jewish education priorities, emphasizing the importance of learning Jewish law practical applications over theoretical knowledge.

Jewish Conversion Process for Children

Chaim explained the Jewish conversion process regarding children born to non-Jewish mothers who convert before or after giving birth. He clarified that a child is considered Jewish if the mother converts before the birth, regardless of when during pregnancy the conversion occurs, as the child’s Jewish status is determined at birth. Chaim noted that while the child was conceived as a non-Jew, the conversion before birth makes the child Jewish and no additional conversion would be required, though Chaim mentioned this doesn’t change the fact the child was conceived in a non-Jewish state.

Post-Birth Spousal Support Obligations

Chaim discussed the halachic obligations of a husband to support his wife after a traumatic birth, explaining that during birth the husband is largely ineffective except for providing moral support due to physical restrictions and the need for medical professionals like midwives. He noted that physical contact is prohibited for 4-6 weeks post-birth, with 6 weeks being the more realistic timeframe before resuming normal intimacy. Chaim emphasized that while the husband cannot provide physical support during or after birth, he can offer moral support and be present in the room as long as there is proper separation.

Post-Birth Recovery and Support Systems

Chaim discussed post-birth recovery practices, explaining that women typically need at least one to two days of hospital recovery and may benefit from convalescent care where they receive good food and rest. He outlined community support systems including meal delivery and described how husbands can help by being attentive while giving space, managing other children, and handling household responsibilities. Chaim also addressed the physical and emotional challenges of pregnancy, including potential health issues like high blood pressure and diabetes, as well as the importance of maintaining a relationship based on communication rather than just physical contact during periods when intimacy is restricted.

Family Purity Laws in Marriage

Chaim discussed the challenges and learning curves couples face regarding family purity laws in marriage, particularly during menstruation and post-childbirth periods. He explained that these hormonal changes affect physical capabilities and intimacy, requiring couples to adapt their behaviors while maintaining a complete relationship beyond physicality. Chaim emphasized the importance of attraction as a condition for marriage, citing the Gemarra’s view that attraction must be present, though he distinguished between genuine attraction and infatuation.

Behavior Under Pressure and Halachic Rules

Chaim shared a story about a dating scenario where a woman tested a man’s reaction under pressure by withholding car keys at a red light, and explained how this demonstrated the importance of observing how someone behaves during stressful situations. He then discussed halachic rules about serving food when his wife gets her period explaining that while someone can prepare and place food on the table, they cannot directly serve it to the opposite gender and should use separate plates to avoid intimacy. The discussion concluded with Chaim addressing a question about why some wives sleep with knives under their pillows when their husbands are away, though he didn’t provide a definitive answer.

Mikvah Visitation Custom Discussion

Chaim discussed a custom about a women who sleeps with a knife under her pillow in a case where a married woman may need to be separated from her husband before visiting the mikvah, potentially due to the husband being traveling or away. He acknowledged that while there is a source for this practice, he was uncertain about how prevalent it is among Jewish communities. Chaim indicated he would need to research the topic further to better understand the custom’s prevalence and specific requirements.

Jewish Purity and Hygiene Practices

Chaim discussed Jewish religious practices regarding purity and impurity, particularly focusing on a husband’s ability to touch a newborn baby. He explained that while a baby born and not yet cleaned would be considered unclean in the time of the temple, modern practices don’t require the same level of purity observance. Chaim also addressed bathroom hygiene practices, explaining that while some people wash their hands after using a shower, it’s not strictly required unless one has directly touched impure body parts or walked in a bathroom.

Jewish Messiah Character Traits Discussion

Chaim discussed the character traits of the Jewish Messiah as described in Isaiah chapter 11, including wisdom, understanding, humility, leadership, and military prowess. He explained that there are two types of Messiahs – the Messiah of David who cannot die in the process, and the Messiah of Joseph who can potentially die. Chaim emphasized that the Messiah must fulfill specific requirements including gathering in exiles and building the temple, and cannot die in the process of these tasks.

Jewish Education Learning Strategies

Chaim discussed the importance of Jewish education, emphasizing that learning Jewish law should be the foundation for anyone with limited time. He advised focusing on practical knowledge over theoretical studies and recommended breaking learning into short sessions that can be fit into a regular schedule. Chaim stressed the importance of reviewing material regularly to maintain knowledge, citing the Chofetz Chaim’s commentary about the need to review to avoid transgressing prohibitions.

Practical Jewish Learning Priorities

Chaim discussed the importance of making Jewish learning practical and balancing it with enjoyable topics to prevent burnout. He advised focusing on Jewish law as a priority, particularly for women who should learn in private, and recommended reviewing material regularly. The conversation concluded with Chaim explaining that Elijah the Prophet would recognize the Messiah, and while the nations might attempt to kill him, there would be no doubt about his identity when Elijah announces him.

Kabbalistic Interpretations of Messianic Prophecies

Chaim discussed a Kabbalistic interpretation of a passage from Chad Gadya that suggests the Messiah of Joseph could die, though this is not definitively known according to tradition. He also explained that Isaiah 53:2 describes a future Messiah who will not be clearly recognized until Elijah the Prophet confirms his identity, and clarified that the suffering servant references in Isaiah typically refer to the Jewish people rather than Jesus. When asked about Elijah’s presence, Chaim explained that while Elijah is not physically visible, he is believed to attend every brit and circumcision, similar to how the Ushpizin are present but not seen.


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